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No clear winner during televised debate

The leaders of the province’s three political parties prepare for a televised debate Wednesday evening. From left are Liberal Leader Kevin Aylward, NTV cameraman Dan Lake placing a microphone on PC Leader Kathy Dunderdale and NDP Leader Lorraine Michael. — Photo by Keith Gosse/The Telegram

The leaders of the province’s three political parties prepare for a televised debate Wednesday evening. From left are Liberal Leader Kevin Aylward, NTV cameraman Dan Lake placing a microphone on PC Leader Kathy Dunderdale and NDP Leader Lorraine...

Published on September 29, 2011
Published on September 29, 2011
James McLeod  RSS Feed
The Telegram
Topics :
NDP , House of Assembly.Michael , Port de Grave , Labrador

NDP Leader Lorraine Michael spent most of the evening on the attack Wednesday, with both Premier Kathy Dunderdale and Liberal Leader Kevin Aylward on the defensive.

The three leaders squared off on the floor of the House of Assembly for one hour in the provincial election’s only leaders’ debate.

The format brought the three party leaders together for a series of questions from a panel of journalists.

Answering each of the 12 questions, a pre-selected pair of leaders squared off one-on-one to debate the issues.

Throughout the debate Dunderdale spent much of her time defending the Progressive Conservatives’ record in government over the last eight years.

Dunderdale’s favourite word seemed to be “invest” as she talked about money the government has put into economic development, infrastructure projects and government programs.

She was forced to defend a campaign promise to bring down health care wait times within the first 120 days of the Oct. 11 election — after her party has been in power for eight years.

Dunderdale also defended her government’s plans to take on billions in debt to build the Muskrat Falls hydroelectric project in Labrador.

But Aylward was also under pressure.

In an exchange on the fishery — one of the Liberal party’s defining issues — Dunderdale accused the Liberals of creating the problem in the first place.

“Mr. Aylward, when we came to government in 2003, the fishery was in ruins thanks to your fisheries ministers  and the issuing of licences when you knew there was overcapacity,” Dunderdale said.

“Mr. Aylward, your slogan is ‘We can do better.’ You could hardly do worse, sir.”

Throughout the debate, Aylward mostly spent his time talking about the Liberals’ three core issues — Muskrat Falls, the fishery, and rural Newfoundland.

He repeated the party’s accusation that the hydro project will double electricity rates, and when it comes to the structure of the development deal, he said “no one understands it.”

But Aylward also faced pointed questions from Michael on one of the NDP’s bread-and-butter issues: pensions.

The Liberal party has promised to retroactively index public sector pensions at a rate of 2.5 per cent annually.

Deflecting a point Michael was making about home care issues, Aylward attacked her for not supporting his proposal.

“When I see the NDP leader talking about not supporting a 2.5 per cent increase in pensions, and is talking to me about this, I have to say to you that I wonder if you’ve lost your way,” Aylward said.

Michael was fierce in her response, repeatedly interrupting Aylward accusing him of having no way to pay for the pension payment increases.

“Where’s  the money coming from? What’s your plan for the 2.5?” Michael asked. “Could you please tell us what your plan is?”

When Aylward responded, “We have a plan,” Michael interjected again.

“Tell us what it is.”

Throughout the night, Michael was easily the most aggressive, repeatedly talking over Dunderdale and Aylward.

Aylward seemed to struggle at times to break, sometimes saying “I agree” with Michael, or trying to interject with an “excuse me” or “If I could say...”

With the NDP polling above the Liberals recently, Michael is working hard to position herself as the alternative to the Progressive Conservative, and voters’ best choice  for an opposition voice in the House of Assembly.

Michael was the first to go negative, and the quickest to attack the other two parties. She used her opening statement to tie Dunderdale to Prime Minister Stephen Harper. In her closing remarks Michael took a few more shots, lamenting the other two “uninspired parties” and offering up the NDP as a fresh alternative.

Starting today, the leaders will strike out for another 12 days of campaigning before the Oct. 11 vote.

Aylward will head to the district of Port de Grave to shore up support in a longtime Liberal stronghold, while Dunderdale will fly to Labrador and the Northern Peninsula tomorrow.

As of press time, Michael did not have any public events announced for today.

jmcleod@thetelegram.com

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    Rural Newfoundlander
    - September 29, 2011 at 21:26:26

    PCs and Liberals should hold their heads in shame after last night's debate. Dunderdale tried to take credit for the last 8 years the PC party was in government- we all know Danny Williams is the true hero. Alyward failed to defend the liberal's platform. Lorraine Michael was the only leader to handle herself with poise and professionalism, but I would not say that she "won" the debate. Considering our options (which are pitiful to say the least)- I'll be voting NDP.

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    Mike
    - September 29, 2011 at 18:03:13

    If you don't think that leader debates can make a difference should call former Prime Minister Turner. When Mulrooney nailed him on the patronage appointments made after Trudeau left, Turner never recovered. At the end of the day, true colours were shown. Aylward is the old style politician that all "has beens" are (see Dumaresque in political dictionary, it is not just a name, it is an adjective now). It makes no difference what Dunderdale says, look at her actions. She got in bed with Harper and the safety of Newfoundland waters was jeopardized. She shagged up the Abitibi expropriation and saved them millions, which the Canadian taxpayer had to pick up. She suspended two conservation officers because she thought SHE WAS ABOVE THE LAW! She is not and never will be half the leader that Danny was...and don't forget how she thanked him for making her premier. Seriously people! We cannot make her premier. By default, the more credible and knowledgeable is Lorraine Michael. Vote for NDP candidates if you have one in your riding. If not, vote for Liberal. Blank the tories. Make them pay for allowing her to remain as leader and following her in support of Harper.

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    Mindy
    - September 29, 2011 at 14:57:46

    Maybe there was no clear winner but there were true colors shown. Kevin A. only trashed the Dunderdale government and the federal gov't. He did not answer any question. Lorraine M. she is just going to give all the money away and fill everyone's pockets..but WOW were going to make all this money on the fishery. Kathy D. she sounded postive and did have answers and she is looking to the future for development not living in the history books. Yes, there were mistakes but she seemed to be the showing her true colors and came across professional.

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    Piehole
    - September 29, 2011 at 12:52:55

    Fred Hutton did a horrible job as moderator... I could only watch it for so long before getting fed up trying to listen to two people talk over each other. I respect the fact that it is a debate and you will have people trying to talk over each other but when it goes on for too long the moderator needs to step in.

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    Derrick
    - September 29, 2011 at 12:46:04

    Kevin won and was the only one to stick to the important issues and not play to the camera. Jack Layton would have been disappointed in Lorraine as she was too ignorant to debate. All in all, this debate was just for entertainment as debates never make a difference in the vote anyway.

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      What debate were u watching
      - September 30, 2011 at 09:25:17

      My ribs hurt from laughing at that comment. Aylward won, yes b'y, go back to dreaming.

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    Just Saying
    - September 29, 2011 at 12:28:08

    It was a sad thing to watch. I couldn't hear what one was saying over the other ones nonsense. Lorraine seemed like the only civilized one there. It was a big waste of time, very embarassing to watch. You couldn't hear what one was saying because the other one was ranting on.like a nut but they have a plan. Again we are the laughing stock.

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    Joseph McGrath
    - September 29, 2011 at 12:13:03

    There indeed may have been no clear winner in the debate but there was one BIG LOSER,the VOTER.I tried to listen and follow the answers to the questions but with the endless talking over each other by the leaders it was no more than a provincial political GONG show.Even the moderator appeared as flustrated as any ordinary viewer must have been.The 3 leaders can rest easy as the VOTER is no more wiser about their positions today than before the so call debate began and that surely that is sad for the people of NL.

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    Mount Pearl Guy
    - September 29, 2011 at 11:59:44

    I wasn't really impressed with any of them as a leader. Kathy Dunderdale comes across as too scripted, Lorraine Michaels was well spoken but I think she is in over her head and I unlike Dunderdale , she doesn't have the same quality of people to back her up. As for Kevin Alyward, well I think he pretty much killed the Liberal's chances of getting any seats.

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    Paticipatory Democracy
    - September 29, 2011 at 11:53:46

    Lorraine Micheal was the winner of the debate. Less rhetorical, firm but polite, cool headed, knowledgeable and concise in backing up NDP policies and responding to criticiism - an excellent leader.

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    Ron Sullivan
    - September 29, 2011 at 10:50:59

    I was disapponted with the debate,,I was hoping for the the Liberals to build a strong offensive, however Aylward failed miserably. He lacks the charisma and substance needed to run a government. His platforn is misguided and poorly thought out. Micheals had the easiest position with nothing to defend and lacked in overall leadership abilities. Dunderdale, although not impressive seems to be the best of the lot. Where is Danny?????

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    Marcus
    - September 29, 2011 at 10:39:54

    Kathy may not be Harper, but she's enabling his agenda. ABC!

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    John
    - September 29, 2011 at 10:27:20

    I feel that Ms. Michael was the winner and Mr. Aylward was the loser by a long shot. Mr. Aylward stated that he would ensure that the Regional SAR center in St. John's. This is a federal institution run by the federal government. He refused to answer the question saying we will do it. How exactly does he plan to save it when he doesn't even have any pert at all in it?

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    Too Funny
    - September 29, 2011 at 09:54:39

    It was funny to hear Aylward trying to tie Dunderdale with Harper and then at the end when he said he had a plan for the rescue sub center because he had Merv Wiseman. I almost choked on my sandwich because Wiseman's last try at politics was to run for Harper's Conservatives. I agree with the others that Lorraine Michael did the best and Aylward the worse.

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    Herb Morrison
    - September 29, 2011 at 08:56:30

    While there was no clear winner in the debate, Kevin Aylward was clearly the loser. Aylward repeatedly claimed that the Liberals have plans to deal with particular issuesyet, when pressed to reveal any details of these plans he repeatedly came up short. I was impressed by the manner in which both Lorraine Michael,and Kathy Dunderdale acquitted themselves.

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      Grandma
      - September 29, 2011 at 12:29:33

      I feel Lorraine Micheal was the winner of the debate, however I do not agree with her political platform. She was firm, held her ground and didn't resort to childish yelling or name calling to make her points. Mike haven't you noticed that not only do the Liberals not have a full slate of candidates but are running a University student from Alberta in one riding. Now that is a joke. I found Mr. Aylward to be most intrusive and disrespectful , not only of the other participants. but to residents of this province as well. Looking back on his past political endeavors I find nothing to indicate he has the ability to hold political office let alone assume the position of premier of our province. Yvonne Jones was doing a much better job as leader of the party and I wish her a speedy return to good health. However my greatest critisism is for the moderator, who failed to moderate, allowing a shouting match to ensue.

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    No winner
    - September 29, 2011 at 08:52:55

    I agree there was no clear winner but Aylward looked weak and I would say he lost the debate.

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    George from Northern Pen
    - September 29, 2011 at 08:44:11

    This was a joke. Compare it to the organized debate which the Alberta leaders engaged in and this was a disgrace. Three people constantly interrupting eachother, hurling insults, skirting around the issues by not answering the questions they were asked. Most of what was said was "We have a plan." There were no concrete answers to the questions and I don't see where this helped anyone who is not decided make an informed decision. While the leaders are mostly to blame for their drunken bar type of antics the moderator and panel share a portion of the blame as well. When they ask the leaders a question and they start ducking around it with wishy-washy responses, the moderator should interject and remind them of the question. I think the moderator also has to force more civility to the process as well. It was impossible at times to hear what one was saying over the others banter and interruption. But that is usually the way when one does not have clear answers and no real plan to deal with issues.

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    Mike
    - September 29, 2011 at 08:41:30

    I disagree that there was no clear winner of the debate. As a liberal I really wanted to see Kevin hammer Dunderdale, but he couldn't. neither Aylward nor dunderdale came across as anything but same old tired politicians. "We have a plan...we can't tell you what it is, but oh yeah, we have a plan...and its better than yours", was the type of rhetoric we have heard for years. It does not instill great confidence in a potential leader when they cannot detail "their plan". I thought Lorraine Michael pulled a "Jack", she went into the leadership debate as a longshot for premier, but handled herself very well. I thought her points were well structured and communicated. She made it clear where her party was going and what we could expect. My vote would change if there was a serious NDP candidate in my riding. I will still be voting liberal (I like our local candidate and have believe that Aylward would run this province far better than Dunderdale), but my vote for winner of the debate...Lorraine Michael.

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    Bert
    - September 29, 2011 at 08:02:20

    This is one year where its very difficult to choose a candicate to vote for. I hate the fact that the P.C.'s sucked up on stage so much for Harper and Manning, only to be blind-sided by Harper when he said "He was not prepared to sign anything on Mustrat Falls". And than you have the Liberals with their Redbook saying the first thing they would do is call on Quebec to negotiate a deal on the Lower Churchill. With the N.D.P. they cannot put a candidate in some districts that one could mark an X for.

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    Newfoundlander
    - September 29, 2011 at 08:01:41

    Shameful !!!! One word incompetent......

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    Joe Joe
    - September 29, 2011 at 08:00:18

    there was one clear winner KATHY

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